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		<title>Comment on Of Slow Blogging and Active Participation by Gaizabonts</title>
		<link>http://kenfinity.wordpress.com/2008/10/11/of-slow-blogging-and-active-participation/#comment-941</link>
		<dc:creator>Gaizabonts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 18:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>==Michele:
Thank you!

I agree with you @ posts that "reflect some more serious level of engagement with the topic"

However, this has also got something to do with the audience. And therefore, I believe a blog needs to have a target audience in mind. That is the crux! A personal blog, like mine, for example, caters to a very generic audience. When writing for a specific audience, I guess, you think twice when posting (not always, but often). Whether you like it or not; whether you realise it or not -- you end up slow blogging!

You are most welcome, and lest I ever forget to mention it -- your blog is a delight!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>==Michele:<br />
Thank you!</p>
<p>I agree with you @ posts that &#8220;reflect some more serious level of engagement with the topic&#8221;</p>
<p>However, this has also got something to do with the audience. And therefore, I believe a blog needs to have a target audience in mind. That is the crux! A personal blog, like mine, for example, caters to a very generic audience. When writing for a specific audience, I guess, you think twice when posting (not always, but often). Whether you like it or not; whether you realise it or not &#8212; you end up slow blogging!</p>
<p>You are most welcome, and lest I ever forget to mention it &#8212; your blog is a delight!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Of Slow Blogging and Active Participation by Michele Martin</title>
		<link>http://kenfinity.wordpress.com/2008/10/11/of-slow-blogging-and-active-participation/#comment-938</link>
		<dc:creator>Michele Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 14:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Atul, this is a really interesting insight into the "failure" of a post, one that's really useful and instructive for most of us, I think. Although there are times I do quick posts, those that seem to engage readers the most seem to be those that reflect some more serious level of engagement with the topic on my part. When I take the time to really dig in and articulate what I want to say, when I engage on a deeper level of thinking, those posts--regardless of length--tend to be the best ones both for me and for readers. Thanks for sharing another way to think about this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Atul, this is a really interesting insight into the &#8220;failure&#8221; of a post, one that&#8217;s really useful and instructive for most of us, I think. Although there are times I do quick posts, those that seem to engage readers the most seem to be those that reflect some more serious level of engagement with the topic on my part. When I take the time to really dig in and articulate what I want to say, when I engage on a deeper level of thinking, those posts&#8211;regardless of length&#8211;tend to be the best ones both for me and for readers. Thanks for sharing another way to think about this.</p>
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		<title>Comment on RSSing Comment Conversations - II by gaizabonts</title>
		<link>http://kenfinity.wordpress.com/2007/10/17/rssing-comment-conversations-ii/#comment-775</link>
		<dc:creator>gaizabonts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 12:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Michele: Thank you. I see where you are coming from, and this problem is &lt;i&gt;deeper&lt;/i&gt; than imagined. Incorporating other networks (FB and Ning, and such) makes it even more complicated. I guess, the 'human aspect' isn't going away for a while.

This needs some work! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Michele: Thank you. I see where you are coming from, and this problem is <i>deeper</i> than imagined. Incorporating other networks (FB and Ning, and such) makes it even more complicated. I guess, the &#8216;human aspect&#8217; isn&#8217;t going away for a while.</p>
<p>This needs some work! :)</p>
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		<title>Comment on RSSing Comment Conversations by Atul Sabnis :: Blog :: RSSing Comment Conversations - II</title>
		<link>http://kenfinity.wordpress.com/2007/10/12/rssing-comment-conversations/#comment-766</link>
		<dc:creator>Atul Sabnis :: Blog :: RSSing Comment Conversations - II</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 11:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ITF automatically adds the posts from the new blogs (e.g. the post on Kenfinity and Designing for Civil Society, viz, Post 2 and Post 3 in the [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on RSSing Comment Conversations - II by Michele Martin</title>
		<link>http://kenfinity.wordpress.com/2007/10/17/rssing-comment-conversations-ii/#comment-762</link>
		<dc:creator>Michele Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like this graphic, Atul and it's moving us closer--the level thing is definitely helpful. 

One problem I see is the issue of trackbacks and using that as the mechanism for notifying when another post comes up. I know that for myself I'm often terrible about pinging other sites. And I also know that often I don't get trackbacks submitted when someone references my site--I find them through my Technorati feed or Google Alerts. So there would have to be some other mechanism for notifying when subsequent posts have been made. I don't think we can rely on the pings.

The other thought I have is that these conversations take place not just on blogs, but in other places as well. The original discussion about facilitating conversations between bloggers actually began in our Ning community and then I posted it on my blog. There was some good stuff said in that Ning conversation that doesn't necessarily get added to the larger discussion. I think that as more and more of us are using multiple online channels for discussion (including networks, forums, Twitter, etc.) it would make sense if we could find a way to tie ALL of that together into a coherent whole. 

It may go back to what Beth Kanter is saying--that this is where human "weavers" come into play. We're the ones who have to monitor and synthesize. Although I'd still love to find a way for technology to make my monitoring easier. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like this graphic, Atul and it&#8217;s moving us closer&#8211;the level thing is definitely helpful. </p>
<p>One problem I see is the issue of trackbacks and using that as the mechanism for notifying when another post comes up. I know that for myself I&#8217;m often terrible about pinging other sites. And I also know that often I don&#8217;t get trackbacks submitted when someone references my site&#8211;I find them through my Technorati feed or Google Alerts. So there would have to be some other mechanism for notifying when subsequent posts have been made. I don&#8217;t think we can rely on the pings.</p>
<p>The other thought I have is that these conversations take place not just on blogs, but in other places as well. The original discussion about facilitating conversations between bloggers actually began in our Ning community and then I posted it on my blog. There was some good stuff said in that Ning conversation that doesn&#8217;t necessarily get added to the larger discussion. I think that as more and more of us are using multiple online channels for discussion (including networks, forums, Twitter, etc.) it would make sense if we could find a way to tie ALL of that together into a coherent whole. </p>
<p>It may go back to what Beth Kanter is saying&#8211;that this is where human &#8220;weavers&#8221; come into play. We&#8217;re the ones who have to monitor and synthesize. Although I&#8217;d still love to find a way for technology to make my monitoring easier. :-)</p>
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		<title>Comment on RSSing Comment Conversations by RSSing Comment Conversations - II &#171; Kenfinity</title>
		<link>http://kenfinity.wordpress.com/2007/10/12/rssing-comment-conversations/#comment-760</link>
		<dc:creator>RSSing Comment Conversations - II &#171; Kenfinity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 00:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on RSSing Comment Conversations by Mobile Technology in TAFE &#187; Blog Archive</title>
		<link>http://kenfinity.wordpress.com/2007/10/12/rssing-comment-conversations/#comment-758</link>
		<dc:creator>Mobile Technology in TAFE &#187; Blog Archive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 22:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] all then interacted and posted our thoughts on her blog and in the forum..then readers like Atul Sabnis and myself responded in more depth on our blogs. Now this is true conversation in action and [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on RSSing Comment Conversations by Sue Waters</title>
		<link>http://kenfinity.wordpress.com/2007/10/12/rssing-comment-conversations/#comment-757</link>
		<dc:creator>Sue Waters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 04:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes I saw that you were following me so had already added you.  The key with twitter is relates to the quality of people you are following. I am following educators who are full onto into Web 2.0 so every day are being exposed to new tools and ideas of how to use them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes I saw that you were following me so had already added you.  The key with twitter is relates to the quality of people you are following. I am following educators who are full onto into Web 2.0 so every day are being exposed to new tools and ideas of how to use them.</p>
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		<title>Comment on RSSing Comment Conversations by gaizabonts</title>
		<link>http://kenfinity.wordpress.com/2007/10/12/rssing-comment-conversations/#comment-756</link>
		<dc:creator>gaizabonts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 19:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>==Christy:
Well, I hope that this post becomes a bit famous amongst those that develop such software and they are able to add this as a feature and make it available to us. I'll go through Tony's article, perhaps a modification on the Meme Tracker may just work? I doubt if we are really a year off from such a feature - do you think so? But I think Sue has found a nice intermediate - @ comments. I have started using it and it does make sense - more so - you can subscribe to its feed

As regards Google search, I guess a specific tagging schema may help - but then again - we are depending on human consistency!

==Michele:
You are right about the topic of the blog. Politics and such, I agree takes the lead in longer (and heated) conversations. However, am sure there are other areas of interest where there are multiple comments (maybe not to the order of 200+, yet...). In any case, I guess, I believe we are referring to conversations that aren't banter. Your comment helps extrapolate my idea further, where, we could, perhaps choose the "users" whose responses we want to see across blogs across a topic (or topics). Somehow, at this time, given your and Christy's comment, I wish I had retained some of my programming skills from college. 

I insist that the script isn't too complicated! :)

==Sue:
Co.mment is (now) working just fine for me - just signed up. My biggest problem was that, while I was able to track my comments on WordPress blogs, my comments on BlogSpot and TypePad and such weren't too easy to track. More so if I left a comment on a blog that wasn't on my blogroll. Co.mment is now taking care of that problem - that fact that I can subscribe to it - is even better!

It is very interesting that you bring up twitter (I am following you now, btw, "twitter: atulsabnis"). I have been trying hard since having read Scott Carp and his musings on Face-book, blogging and Twitter. It &lt;i&gt;does&lt;/i&gt; seem-like an interesting tool - am yet to find a way to harness its power...er...sort of! :)

Thank you all for a wonderful conversation - even if the technology doesn't exist for us to manage it - what is more important is that we have the conversation! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>==Christy:<br />
Well, I hope that this post becomes a bit famous amongst those that develop such software and they are able to add this as a feature and make it available to us. I&#8217;ll go through Tony&#8217;s article, perhaps a modification on the Meme Tracker may just work? I doubt if we are really a year off from such a feature - do you think so? But I think Sue has found a nice intermediate - @ comments. I have started using it and it does make sense - more so - you can subscribe to its feed</p>
<p>As regards Google search, I guess a specific tagging schema may help - but then again - we are depending on human consistency!</p>
<p>==Michele:<br />
You are right about the topic of the blog. Politics and such, I agree takes the lead in longer (and heated) conversations. However, am sure there are other areas of interest where there are multiple comments (maybe not to the order of 200+, yet&#8230;). In any case, I guess, I believe we are referring to conversations that aren&#8217;t banter. Your comment helps extrapolate my idea further, where, we could, perhaps choose the &#8220;users&#8221; whose responses we want to see across blogs across a topic (or topics). Somehow, at this time, given your and Christy&#8217;s comment, I wish I had retained some of my programming skills from college. </p>
<p>I insist that the script isn&#8217;t too complicated! :)</p>
<p>==Sue:<br />
Co.mment is (now) working just fine for me - just signed up. My biggest problem was that, while I was able to track my comments on WordPress blogs, my comments on BlogSpot and TypePad and such weren&#8217;t too easy to track. More so if I left a comment on a blog that wasn&#8217;t on my blogroll. Co.mment is now taking care of that problem - that fact that I can subscribe to it - is even better!</p>
<p>It is very interesting that you bring up twitter (I am following you now, btw, &#8220;twitter: atulsabnis&#8221;). I have been trying hard since having read Scott Carp and his musings on Face-book, blogging and Twitter. It <i>does</i> seem-like an interesting tool - am yet to find a way to harness its power&#8230;er&#8230;sort of! :)</p>
<p>Thank you all for a wonderful conversation - even if the technology doesn&#8217;t exist for us to manage it - what is more important is that we have the conversation! :)</p>
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		<title>Comment on RSSing Comment Conversations by Sue Waters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sue Waters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 23:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This whole conversation on encouraging cross comment conversations is so interesting. I use co-mment to track comments on other people's blogs and I believe that our key is educating our readers into using it effectively.  

A classic example of a cross conversation was between Graham Wegner (Adelaide), myself, Clay Burell (Korea) and Patrick Higgins (USA) which started as a result of our different opinions on use of Ning for professional development.  How it could all happen and run effectively was because I was using co-mment and he was obviously using a similar application.  Often we would both be writing our responses on all the different blogs, or email each other, at the same time --- we were being that efficient in our responses.  

I also know a lot of the original 31 Day Participants have not realised the potential of twitter but twitter is where we are also having many of these conversations and debating what we are reading.  Twitter is also bringing good readers to my blog. If you are not using Twitter you need to realise that it is becoming increasingly important to many people's personal learning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This whole conversation on encouraging cross comment conversations is so interesting. I use co-mment to track comments on other people&#8217;s blogs and I believe that our key is educating our readers into using it effectively.  </p>
<p>A classic example of a cross conversation was between Graham Wegner (Adelaide), myself, Clay Burell (Korea) and Patrick Higgins (USA) which started as a result of our different opinions on use of Ning for professional development.  How it could all happen and run effectively was because I was using co-mment and he was obviously using a similar application.  Often we would both be writing our responses on all the different blogs, or email each other, at the same time &#8212; we were being that efficient in our responses.  </p>
<p>I also know a lot of the original 31 Day Participants have not realised the potential of twitter but twitter is where we are also having many of these conversations and debating what we are reading.  Twitter is also bringing good readers to my blog. If you are not using Twitter you need to realise that it is becoming increasingly important to many people&#8217;s personal learning.</p>
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